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February 15, 2013 by agent

RGIII 2

By Dirty

With the success of Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, and Robert Griffin III (RGIII) the last couple of years have renewed serious talk about whether highly successful offenses from college can be successful in the NFL. The answer is not an easy one so let’s delve into the reasons it can and can’t.

Many people want to throw QB’s like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham into the equation and you can’t do that. They were drop back passers who could run if needed. They were more rollout QB’s who looked to throw first and run after making all their progressions and reads to their wide receivers and no one was open. Then the success of Michael Vick threw more gas on the fire. Vick was a talent never seen before at the QB position as he could throw the ball the length of the football field and could run like a world class sprinter running a 4.3 forty yard dash. Vick had success for a few years in spite of his inability to throw consistently. He would have games where he could and games where he had to run because he couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat. After being successful on and off in Atlanta (Pro Bowl one year bad year the next type of thing) defenses started catching up to him and by the time he came back from his suspension they had completely caught up to him. The curve closed quicker than usual because colleges started running more pro style defenses with ex NFL coaches becoming college coaches and coordinators and athletes just getting bigger, faster and stronger.

Now let’s look at the new crop of successful QB’s (granted early in all their career’s so the jury is still out) and why they have been so successful. The College Game has also evolved and run more Pro Style offenses for the same reasons mentioned above. They now recruit QB’s that can throw first and run second. Even at places like Oregon, West Virginia, Baylor and other places who run the pistol or spread offenses. Not like Georgia Tech who is run first. Russell Wilson was a drop Back Passer at NC State and Wisconsin but brought another dimension to the game when they did put him in the pistol a few times, but RGIII and Cam Newton were the real deal spread offense success stories that everyone knew. Kaepernick flew under the radar because he played at the University of Nevada and not all football fans knew who he was. I said he was the steal of the draft when he was taken as late in the draft as the kid had as much talent as any QB in the draft. We know Wilson, RGIII and Newton can do it all. They can throw with accuracy dropping back, throw on the run, and can have success when a running play is called. The jury is still out on Kaepernick as he has only thrown for over 260 yards one time and that was in the Super Bowl, but he was shaky before then. If he doesn’t learn to throw accurately he is going to be another Vick.

The spread offense can only work in the NFL with a QB who makes defenses scared to shadow him because he can torch them for 300 yards and 3 or 4 touchdowns if they stop his running ability. If defensive players and coordinators are not scared of the pass then the offense can’t consistently be successful. The NFL players are so big and fast they can adapt a whole lot easier than college players. Most college teams don’t have but one or two players who will ever play in the NFL for any amount of time except at your major programs but even then only 3-4 are on the field at the same time. The NFL is the best of the best and the game is so much faster than the college game. You can’t see it on TV as much as you can if you go to a college game one week and an NFL game the next. It is a “Night and Day” difference kind of like going from high school to college. You now have linebackers who are 6’5″ and run 4.4 forties and defensive backs well over 6′ and weighing 225 and this doesn’t even mention how big and fast the linemen and defensive ends are.

The offense will never work in the NFL consistently as you will never have a steady stream of QB’s like the ones we are seeing now and the QB’s run higher risk of injury. Once they get hurt you will most likely not have a back up to step in and a team that runs the offense will be out of its element with a drop back passer. The more successful it gets the more defenses will adapt as well.
The long-term viability of the offense is just not realistic but in certain situations, like the ones on the teams above, will be successful until their QB’s lose a step or get hurt and have to become more drop back passers. Then it will be up to the coaches to adapt to the diminishing skills of the QB.

The next several years will be interesting to see how this develops and to see if it just goes in cycles and the NFL will become a pure drop back passing league again.

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Will the Spread Offense and Running the Pistol Work Long Term in the NFL?

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Topic starter Posted : 15/02/2013 3:52 pm
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Topic starter Posted : 30/09/2013 9:57 am
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Gimmicks are a novelty until their flaws are exposed (IMO) and a good reason they won't work is because their own defenses have much trouble keeping up with the pace of play.

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Posted : 30/09/2013 11:03 am
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Kaepernick is proving it this year and why he was just a flash in the pan last year... he can't adapt as defenses adapt to him.... where Wilson can

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Topic starter Posted : 10/11/2013 7:06 pm
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San Francisco must feel pretty damn stupid at this time. They let a solid QB (Smith) go to start hyping a guy who should have remained the back-up. He could have still been used strategically and they would have a two QB's instead of one.

Kaepernick was in no position to force the 49ers to do anything- so they must not have wanted to have to decide on paying Smith big money. Now they are finding Kaepernick's limitations and if he gets hurt what do they have to back him up with? We are seeing regularly that it might be a good idea to have a solid back-up QB. When will these NFL geniuses learn?

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Posted : 10/11/2013 8:39 pm
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Kaepernick had me fooled last year. I just think the QB takes much too many big hits running the option in the NFL. RG3 won't make it 3 years he keeps getting hit the way he does.

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Posted : 10/11/2013 8:48 pm
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Watched the Carolina/San Francisco game earlier.......Since being of similar style, Cam Newton is proving to be a better all-around quarterback than Colin Kaepernick as of now.

Carolina is a force to be reckon with in the NFC.

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Posted : 10/11/2013 8:52 pm
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sdotbold;320298 wrote: Kaepernick had me fooled last year. I just think the QB takes much too many big hits running the option in the NFL. RG3 won't make it 3 years he keeps getting hit the way he does.

I don't think Kaepernick is a very accurate passer too. When he faces good pressure, I don't feel too comfortable with his accuracy and that is the thing that worries me about him the most.

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Posted : 10/11/2013 8:53 pm
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KnownUnknown;320296 wrote: San Francisco must feel pretty damn stupid at this time. They let a solid QB (Smith) go to start hyping a guy who should have remained the back-up. He could have still been used strategically and they would have a two QB's instead of one.

Kaepernick was in no position to force the 49ers to do anything- so they must not have wanted to have to decide on paying Smith big money. Now they are finding Kaepernick's limitations and if he gets hurt what do they have to back him up with? We are seeing regularly that it might be a good idea to have a solid back-up QB. When will these NFL geniuses learn?

They were already paying Smith Big Money and Kaep is making nothing much now until at least next year I believe... they just didn't evaluate well and it is going to cost them...

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Topic starter Posted : 10/11/2013 8:56 pm
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Kaepernick is entering the third season of a four-year, $5.124 million contract that included $3.8 millioin guaranteed money, including $590,314 of his $740,844 base salary in 2013. With a $100,000 workout bonus, Kaepernick will take home just over $840,000, which ranks 58th among NFL quarterback contracts. Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning, who Kaepernick could very well face in Super Bowl XLVIII, will earn $882,353 per week during the regular season.

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Topic starter Posted : 10/11/2013 9:12 pm
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Kaep's colors are coming thru today

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Topic starter Posted : 19/01/2014 9:32 pm
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Dirty;355599 wrote: Kaep's colors are coming thru today

Yea- but if he is able to somehow reign in some of the key errors (trying to force things)- I'd take him over most NFL QB's any day.He and Matthew Stafford have that in common. Once both get that problem under control (if ever) they would both be extremely dangerous.

The added running ability that Kaepernick has is pretty damn scary.

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Posted : 19/01/2014 11:59 pm
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Colin Kaepernick is sucking it up this year.. RGIII has sucked since his injury

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Topic starter Posted : 22/09/2014 5:36 pm
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Kaepernick is about to Cost Harbaugh his job....It may not be his fault but the he holds lots of the fault.

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Topic starter Posted : 02/11/2014 6:48 pm
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RGIII and Kaep are proving it vritually impossible to succeed... running the pistol you just can't usually throw well enough and they can't run fast enough to outrun LB's and DE's running 4.3-4.6 forties.... as well as safeties as big and as fast as LB's in college

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Topic starter Posted : 28/11/2014 10:54 am
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